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  1. Dennis W Rowntree
    April 28, 2020 @ 11:22 pm

    What determines if an image is pornographic or not is the ‘intention’ of the artist who created the image. The ‘intention’ should be your guide. Thoughts come first and action follows. Hence, pose follows intention.

    In Steven Spielberg’s film, ‘Schindler’s List’ to have images of women and men naked in a concentration camp is not pornographic because the ‘intention’ was to show what actually happened in history. On the other hand, if a film showed naked women running around in a nudist camp with the ‘intention’ to titillate the senses, then that is pornographic. ‘Intention’ is the key.

  2. tavis
    May 23, 2020 @ 10:27 am

    Thanks for reading the article and sharing your thoughts!

  3. Jonathan Hughes
    May 24, 2020 @ 8:40 am

    Satan says, PORNOGRAHIC! God sees what he made, saying nothing. People need to be told that they can be seen without clothing, knowing that they will not be treated badly.

  4. Jonathan Hughes
    May 24, 2020 @ 2:41 pm

    Judge yourself. The sin of another cannot lose you your soul. The good deeds of another, cannot save you your soul. Things would be in constant limbo, had that be.

  5. Jonathan Hughes
    May 24, 2020 @ 2:47 pm

    Satan says PORNOGHRAPHIC through a person. God says nothing through a person, seeing what he made. God is not bothered by erections, and sex.

  6. BOB
    October 24, 2020 @ 3:52 am

    wow ur comment makes this article more concise, thank you for sharing your very brief thoughts.

  7. tavis
    February 6, 2021 @ 1:07 am

    You’re welcome, thanks for reading!

  8. tavis
    February 6, 2021 @ 1:08 am

    Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

  9. tavis
    February 6, 2021 @ 1:08 am

    Thanks for reading and sharing your thoughts!

  10. TA
    April 20, 2021 @ 10:18 am

    I dropped on this by accident while looking for art images.

    So, here is a view on the subject from a slightly different perspective; that is because nearly all my life I have been a nudist. As a nudist of course you cannot possibly be offended by nudity; and most of the time, seeing other people in the nude is not arousing. Nudism is not about sex (although admittedly there are some for whom it is).

    I have spent days on end over many years walking, running, swimming, sunbathing and other activities over many years, sometimes accompanied by female partners and sometimes on my own. My/our preference is clothing optional beaches. I seen many thousands of naked women over that time and even stopped and had conversations with complete strangers. Generally, most people on beaches are not that attractive. The women I would find attractive enough to be aroused by their appearance, I would also find attractive and arousing if they had clothes on. For example, one of my former partners was an extremely attractive (stunning) woman in her late twenties. At the beach we would be nude all the time, but it was rare for me to become aroused by the sight of her at the beach. I found her much more sexually arousing to look at when she was dressed in her signature short skirt and high heels. She had great legs!

    The relevance of this to your question “Is nudity in art acceptable versus pornographic?” is, pornography is not always about nudity, and vice versa. That said, the definition of pornography is material that is intended to arouse sexually. It is a very grey area! An artist might take a photograph or paint a painting that he or she does not intend to arouse, therefore it is not pornographic, even though some people might find it arousing. In that case, it is the way it is seen by the viewer that determines whether it is arousing or not, and therefore whether it is pornographic.

    It is remarkably like the laws on nudity. In the UK, particularly in England and Wales, it is not illegal to be nude in a public place, so long as that nudity is not intended to offend, cause shock, alarm or distress to someone who sees it. The guidelines provided by the Crown Prosecution Service are that a nudist (or naturist) going about his or her business in the nude should not be prosecuted. No action should be taken unless it can be proved beyond doubt that someone (who must be a reasonable person) actually was offended, alarmed or distressed, and that the nude person intended them to be. In other words, in most cases, someone who is shocked, offended, alarmed or distressed by seeing a nude person walk past twenty or thirty yards away, minding their own business, cannot reasonably argue that it was offensive or distressing. To clarify, it is both parties that determine whether the nudity is offensive, shocking, alarming, distressing, and was intended to be. Likewise, with art and pornography, it is probably the case that the artist must intend the work to be pornographic and the viewer to find it pornographic, for it to be pornographic.

    I wanted to mention one of the photographs you have used in comparison. I am talking about the photo of the girl sitting on a rock, leaning back supported by her arms, with her head thrown back, which you describe as “more suggestive”. More suggestive of what? That is something women often do, with or without clothes when they are enjoying the sensations of the sun, breeze and open air. To me she looks like a nudist just enjoying the elements. She could also be ensuring that the skin under her breasts catches some sun, so she does not get white patches.

    You will often see nudists (men and women) sitting with their legs wide open. That is not with the intention to blatantly expose their genitals to others for any sexually motivated purpose, but rather to expose the areas to the sun to get an even tan and avoid white patches in the corners of the groin. Both my former nudist female partners did that all the time.

    There are nudist or naturist websites that publish photography and art of nudists and naturists. Some of those images may appear pornographic and arousing to some people, however, that is not the intention of either the person in the image, or the photographer. For example, let us say an attractive 25-year-old woman nudist is relaxing, lying on a flat rock next to the sea. She is lying on her back with her head on a rolled-up towel, her arms resting alongside her angled slightly away from her body. She has both knees bent, one pointing straight up, with her foot on the ground, and the other leg, knee bent, flat on the ground. Obviously, that means her vulva is fully visible for anyone to see, especially as she is shaved or waxed, so completely void of pubic hair. Her breasts are firm and point at the sky. She has a pretty face and beautiful long hair. She is not doing this with the intention to arouse or offend, she is just a lady who prefers to relax in the nude and is doing so in a perfectly natural position. Let us say a photographer takes a photograph of her (with her permission of course) and his intention in doing that is just to capture the beauty of her female form.

    I am sure there are a lot of people who would find that photograph arousing to look at and may well use it for that purpose. But it was not the intention of the woman or the photographer. I do not think that because someone is aroused by that image, that the image is pornographic, any more than the girl walking along the high street in a short skirt and high heels showing off her gorgeous legs is pornographic, but some will be aroused by the sight of her too.

    A final example: Myself and one of my female partners went on a holiday abroad and we forgot to take a camera, so we had to buy a throw-away one. We spent the entire holiday in the nude except for a couple of hours or so each evening when we would go out to eat. After the holiday I took the camera into Boots pharmacy for developing and explained to the staff on the photographic processing counter that the images were from a nudist holiday and asked whether they would have any objection to processing them. They were perfectly happy to do it. When I collected the photographs a couple of days later, I told them I hoped the images had not been offensive to them (because there were photos of me and my girlfriend leaving nothing to the imagination) and the lady who served me (most of the staff were women) said no, they were fine, they were “very nice pictures and it’s only natural isn’t it?” They did not find our nudist holiday pictures pornographic.

    In conclusion, I think it is a noticeably large grey area with no real definitive boundaries. What some people find pornographic others will not. It is only clearly pornographic when it depicts actual sexual acts.

  11. Mistah Potatohead
    December 19, 2022 @ 11:09 am

    Art/Porn is in the eye of the beholder, regardless of the artist’s intentions. When I was a kid before the internet, we masturbated to National Geographic because that was all the nudity freely available to a minor. It may have been INTENDED as “art” or “life in pictures,” but to a 12 year old with brand new weird hormones raging, it was PORNOGRAPHY.

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